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Another snippet of Dimitri's suffering post "Possibilities," where he glimpses an S Support future with Byleth in Hopes. On this episode: Sylvain "helps" His Majesty score a date.
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"I saw some fishing poles with your gear," Sylvain said. It was said in a perfectly casual tone, but after a lifetime of knowing the man, Dimitri knew he was up to something. "Do you fish?"
She nodded, mouth full of food. It was so charming how she was utterly unbothered by their status, behaving the same as she would around a campfire of rowdy mercenaries.
"His Majesty is quite the fisherman, aren't you?" he prompted, elbowing Dimitri.
"Er, it's been many years since I had the pleasure." Approximately twenty years, in fact-- his entire life.
Sylvain continued chatting, meandering toward whatever his mischievous goal was. "Shez took me to a lake that's great for fishing! And the weather is supposed to be beautiful this afternoon. Maybe you could go fishing, Byleth?"
"My father just left for a mission," she replied.
Odd. They typically worked as a unit. Dimitri wasn't aware of any time Jeralt had been deployed without her.
"Oh, bummer," Sylvain said. "Wait! I know! His Majesty could accompany you! He doesn't have any meetings today."
Ah, they'd finally arrived at the inevitable teasing.
Dimitri glared at his friend. "I have meetings all day. Like I do every day."
"Duke Ifan was delayed due to bad weather and won't be here until next week," Sylvain explained.
"And Rodrigue?"
"Spending the day with the new recruits from Duscur to help them settle in."
"The Margrave?" Dimitri asked. There was no way Gautier canceled their meeting. The sun itself could use that man to mark its schedule.
"Stomachache."
A silent battle of wills followed, the two men staring each other down. Sylvain had his signature roguish grin plastered on his face, with an extra glint in his eye that seemed to say, go on. Try me.
"A stomachache," repeated Dimitri in disbelief. "Margrave Gautier, the infamous Wall of Ice, protector of the most inhospitable territory in Faerghus, has a stomachache?"
"Sure does. I think he ate some bad fish," replied Sylvain. "Hey, maybe if you brought back some fresh ones from your excursion, that won't happen again!"
The king was grasping at straws, but he wasn't willing to admit defeat quite yet. "Well, there's always war council."
"Hardly seems worth it with so many people out, don't you think?"
What had Dimitri done to deserve such a prank? Sure, he'd hounded Sylvain at the Academy about his skirt-chasing from time to time, but this seemed to be quite a disproportionate response. Perhaps the knight subscribed to the adage that revenge was a dish best served cold, lying in wait for the opportunity to humiliate the king. Dimitri supposed it was inevitable that revenge would one day turn its gaze back upon him.
Maybe Sylvain just wanted to get his friend a date.
But Byleth was looking at him expectantly, and he found himself powerless to say no to her.
"It appears I am indeed free today," he said. "I'd be honored to accompany you to the lake, Miss Eisner."
#platonic dimivain is possibly my favorite dynamic to write#sylvain gets revenge for their b support#jk he ships it hard#fe3h#dimileth#fire emblem#byleth eisner#blue lions#few3h#dimitri alexandre blaiddyd#sylvain jose gautier
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You know I am surprise Sebek that is never jealous to anyone who is close to Yuu. It is a boys school and I can imagine some have crushes on her.
#jk jk it's a total tragedy for sebek if he ever loves the same person as the one malleus loves#i swear malleus just loves the company#or is he#he did give me a little heart throb at the masquerade but that's all just yet#i can't really imagine anyone else likes her#malleus draconia#because partly i really don't plan of shipping her in the first place#sebek was a total surprise development fhsdshdh#this question arose at the time she was being shoved to jack#i can see that jack is totally someone to be jealous at ha ha; he is a total hunk#but i feel like sebek see him as a solid trustable friend than a snatcher who would disrespect him#i did think of a scenario from how sebek is jealous of malleus drinking coffee with silver that goes like...#yuu talking to silver; sebek be like “WHAT WHY ARE U TALKING TO SILVER MORE”#and yuu be like “bcs silver whispers when he talks”#and stubborn as he is sebek be like “I CAN TALK IN WHISPER TOO”#and he sat there and tried so hard to whisper which pretty much end up as at the very least normal talking voice#and Sebek just “GRRR NGRHRHHRH!!!!!! YOU'LL SEE I'LL WHISPER PROPERLY ONE DAY!!!! AND U'LL HANG OOUT WITH ME MORE”#fjsdsdj#but i don't even know what would yuu talk with silver#i didn't even realize before that silver is actually in 2nd class#they look so same age#yuu be like - . - to everyone anyhow#she just keeps the guy act while brushing off the thought whether the others already know she is a girl or not#sebek zigvolt#twst yuu#twst mc#twisted wonderland#twst#fanart
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actual footage of byan being clingy af and needing @lee-sol's constant attention, thanks for ur time
#terrible quality gifs bc i can't be assed to work too hard on them#i just needed to share the vision with everyone bc it's v important to me#me taking advantage of our ship's fcs both being from the same group? i would NEVER.............#there's this one gifset that's just jk's reactions to not getting enough attention from everyone that lives rent free in my head#bc it gives me such byan energy#and for whatever reason i just. needed to do this today.#that expression in the second gif when he doesn't get the reaction he wants sends me dude. soooo byan-coded.#━━ ˟ �� ✰ visage ⋮ ever since the seventh grade i learned to firebreathe.#━━ ˟ ⊰ ♡ rel: sol ⋮ find me where i am most ruined; love me there.#━━ ˟ ⊰ ✰ isms ⋮ a curse from you is all that i would need right now.#━━ ˟ ⊰ ✰ mine.
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COMIC FURY | TUMBLR BLOG
#penitence update#student council au#CHAPTER FIVE FINALE YALL#COME GET YALLS AKESHI JUICE#ok jk jk#u know it’s still a shuake comic at the end of the day#honestly at this point I’ve accidentally given more clear hints to hitonami which is NOT VIABLE but it’s funny#(it is not viable btw bc she is a million years old goddess and he is in high school)#((Marie is like. also hard for me to ship w anyone bc like. I don’t know how to rectify that she is. technically a million years old goddes#ANYWAY ENJOY THE LAST OF TJE CHAPTER#SEE U IN TWO WEEKS FOR CH6#maybe 3 idk. I kind of want to wait til thanksgiving break to update again
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2 HANDS - LN4



summary : In a world where Lando was actually in Tate’s music video (except tate is y/n) Lando’s hands stray for a bit too long and the tension seems a bit too thick for them to be faking it.
listen up : SMAU!!! suggestive content! swearing. some mean things commented.
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You knew the music video would be good. You didn’t know it would be a worldwide hit and rack millions of views each day.
Lando Norris putting his ‘2 hands’ on you wasn’t just for show but the public didn’t know any better. But everyone knows the internet… they love to speculate.
YOURUSERNAME

yourusername 2 HANDS IS OUT NOW AHHHH!!!! Here’s some flicks from filming <33
username36 : SCREAMING IM SO OBSESSED
yourfan77 : F1 AND Y/N??? MY TWO WORLDS🧡🙈😭🙂↕️✨
username92 : the zoom on his TWO HANDS people died
↳ landofan44 : (it was me, i died.)
sabrinacarpenter : pop princess omg
landonorris : you said you wouldn’t post the last pic.
↳ yourusername : I lied😊
↳username55 : holy i need them together now.
landonorris : an honor serving an icon
usernamelame : How much do we think she paid Lando to be in her music video??🤣
↳ username15 : However much face card is
gracieabrams : QUEEN IM SO PROUD!!
carlossainz : @//landonorris the one time i’m going to tell you that you were sort of cool
username69 : IS THIS A HARD LAUNCH?? TELL ME THIS IS A HARD LAUNCH.
↳ username : if you have to ask that then it’s definitely not a hard launch.
↳ username23 : They’re together 10000% DID YOU SEE HIS HAND PLACEMENT???
INTERVIEW FROM THE BRAZILIAN GRAND PRIX

y/n ➡️ lando

LANDONORRIS YOURUSERNAME

DISCUSSED IN Y/NLANDO FANDOMS <3
username61 : I KNOW YOU GUYS SEE Y/NS STORY WITH THE ‘see you in vegas’ AND A HEART HAND. WITH WHO YOU MAY ASK?? LANDO NORRIS I KNOW THAT RING.
landofan772 : yeah they’re dating and i’m hella jealous but also happy
kikagomez : i ship it.
↳ username : KIKA???
↳ y/nfan : KIKA WHAT
username01 : the girl in his story?? HAS to be y/n.
↳ username27 : they could just be friends
↳ username92 : don’t ruin the fantasy and delusion of love.
y/nfan444 : THE FLOWERS!!! our girl deserves the world.
MAX FEWTRELLS STEAM

LANDONORRIS

landonorris LANDO NORRIS AND Y/N L/N MAKE THEIR OFFICAL COUPLE DEBUT!! Jk it’s just y/n and I looking hot and sexy together as two people very much in love. Proud of my girl 🧡
yourusername : hey that’s me!!
↳ landonorris :😁😁
yourusername : lover era!
↳ landonorris : MUAH
yourusername : fav pair of hands
↳ landonorris : 👏🏻
↳ carlossainz : WOAHH
↳ maxfewtrell : keep it pg you two.
username44 : IM ACTUALLY IN TEARS
y/nfanforever : LOVE IS REAL
↳ username61 : for them maybe, i’m still single af.
landofan78 : on MY cellular device??
romeobeckham : i knew you seemed happier recently
pietrapalio : DOUBLE DATE TIME!!
↳ yourusername : YAYAYAY
↳ landonorris : @//maxfewtrell say what now
username434 : I KNEW THAT MUSIC VIDEO WAS TOO DAMN SEXY FOR TWO PEOPLE WHO JUST MET
landoandy/nfan : thinking about how he felt her up in that car on camera FOR REAL
username000 : I feel so privileged that I live in a time where Y/n and Lando are together. A victorian child would never understand.
#fanfic#formula 1 fanfic#f1 imagine#f1 x reader#f1 fanfic#f1 fic#lando norris#lando norris fanfic#lando x reader#lando imagine#lando norris x singer reader#smau#social media au#lando norris social media au#lando norris x pop star
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12. All aboard | Kinktober
When pirate Jungkook wants you, he wants you right now, even if it’s in front of the sailor men on his ship.
Contains: Dominant JK, having sex on a ship, in front of other people, on a table, they’re in a crisis but jk prefers pussy, missionary, standing fucking
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The captain of pirates was not a man to wait— for battle, for treasure or for you.
Jungkook’s heavy boots thudded across the wooden planks them creaking underneath the leather boots as he marched through the dining room, in search for one person and one person only. The sailors around him froze, their eyes darting in any direction but towards their boss, no one wanting to meet his intimidating gaze.
When Jungkook’s hand found your wrist, the grip was strong, possessive. There was no hesitation in his touch, Jungkook always got what he wanted—and what he wanted now was you.
That moment he saw you? He fell for you, hard.
“Jungkook…” The soft whisper was like music to his ears and it was the only confirmation he needed. His lips captured yours, his touches demanding and needy for you.
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You whimpered underneath him as he pushed every inch into your willing pussy, and you squealed underneath him.
“Yeah? Getting excited? Want cock?” He’d murmur, starting to rock his hips back and forth. His hand trailed to your throat, wrapping his fingers around it gently.
“Want cock.” You’d whimper in response, spreading your legs as far as you could. The sound of the sailors blurred into the background as you felt Jungkook pick up the pace. Along with his rhythm, the ocean picked up a little too, causing the ship to sway back and forth.
The sloppy sounds of your bodies combining made you even wetter, and you started to touch yourself, looking down at the way his length vanished inside of you before it was pulled out until the tip, before it plunged down again.
“A-ah!” The sight sent butterflies down to your stomach and you threw your head back.
Jungkook’s hand circled around the hem of your dress and he pulled it up, bundling the fabric together in his hand to show himself your body, but the sight was not enough. With his other hand he pulled down your bra, revealing your tits.
“That is more like it, show off those titties…” He groped them with both hands, kneading in them.
“Uhm, sir.” A voice sounded.
Jungkook turned in the direction of the voice and shot the sailor a murderous glare as he dared to interrupt.
“The waves are picking up we need—“
“Get it sorted and leave me alone.” Jungkook snapped, not bothering to listen. Instead he turned his attention back to you, his hands moving away from your breasts and to your waist instead, picking you up.
Your arms held onto his shoulders instinctively, and he started to bounce your body up and down, fucking you on his cock. The sensation made your sight blurry and you could do nothing but moan as you buried your face against his neck, gasping and moaning against his neck as you bounced on his cock his length slamming in and out of your tight pussy.
“Yes, more…” You tried to move your body too but failed, an embarassed chuckle coming from you.
The captain noticed and he gave you a kiss against your cheek. “Poor baby, want more cock but can’t?” Jungkook cooed, gladly helping you out. His hands gripped onto your hips tightly as he made you slam down his cock harder.
That’s it, that’s it…
You squeeze your eyes shut.
So much, too much.
"A-ah!” You let out a cry, shaky trembles coursing through your body as your eyes fluttered open and shut. Jungkook used your orgasm as he continued to bounce you up and down his cock, this time with a slower pace.
“You didn’t think we were done, did you?”
#bts smut#bts x reader#bts requests#bts smut requests#bts fanfic#bts smut fanfic#jungkook smut#jungkook x female reader#jungkook x yn#jungkook x y/n#Jungkook x you
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Jeon Jungkook Fic Recs List 5....
Series :
Baggage || dad!Jungkook x adoptive mom!Reader | best friends to lovers | co-parenting | idiots in love | slow burn—really slow burn || @angellesword
Summary: Drowning in debt and blood, Jeon Jungkook knows he's better off alone, lest he brings people down with him.
But one drunken night changes everything.
In a blink of an eye, Jungkook found himself drowning not only in debt and blood, but also in dirty diapers and judgmental stares from you, a.k.a his long-lost love and the guardian of the son he didn't even know existed.
Love to hate || Playboy businessman!jungkook x businesswoman!reader | Enemies to Lovers | Fuck Buddies!AU || @kpopfanfictrash
Summary : Born with a silver spoon in your mouth, you've done your best to rid yourself of the taste since you were old enough to walk. Occasionally though, your mother manages to rope you into an obligatory function – or a blind date with playboy billionaire, Jeon Jungkook. Jungkook stands for everything you loathe about the world you left behind, but you can’t deny the spark of attraction between you. Intrigued by the promise of mutual satisfaction, you agree to one night in bed… and quickly realize you’re in far, far deeper than you ever intended.
Six stages of Break-Up || ceo!jungkook x reader | Established relationship ||
Summary: Even the strongest sailing ship doesn’t last long in the sea.
Between takes 01, 02, 03, 04, 05, 06, 07 || porn star!jk x f fluffer!reader | pornstar au || @jeonstudios
Summary: a fluffer for a popular porn star, your focus is to keep him hard and performing on set. turns out he's not the only thing that's hard.
From home || richkid!jk x baker!reader | fakedating!au | strangers to lovers | Enemies to Lovers || @yuzukult
Summary: jungkook is the youngest of five boys, the last in line to truly inherit any his parents’ money. but what if his mom suddenly cuts him off due to his current poor behavior and he’s forced to learn how it feels like to be part of the working class?
Sugar fairy A03 || bunny hybrid Jungkook x ruby leopard hybrid oc! | strangers to lovers au | unrequited love au || @foxymoxynoona
Summary: Bunny Hybrid Jungkook is at that age... he needs a mate, and it's making life miserable for everyone in the family. The obvious solution is to bring home a girl. The obvious problem is that while it's love at first site for Pippa when he walks into the adoption tent, Jungkook is far more into the sexy cat to her right. Will there ever be peace in the family again?
One-shot :
Mature || stupid!jungkook x reader | f2l || @jiminrings
Summary: the good thing about professing your feelings to jungkook is that it'd be over with, whether or not he likes you back — the bad thing is that he rejects you, even if you haven't confessed.
alternatively, crushing on jungkook who's in your friend group is, has, and will never be a good idea.
Careful what you wish for || idol!jungkook x reader | Established relationship || @kookiesbuckethat
Summary: After a tiring week of work, the last thing Jungkook wants to hear is you lecturing him about taking care of himself. But what if he could never hear your voice ever again?
Afterglow || boyfriend!jungkook x reader | Established relationship || @onlyswan
Summary: in which jungkook can’t sleep, and he can’t stop kissing you either.
Our not so secret Secret || Athlete!fuckboy!Jungkook x smart ass!female!Reader | College AU | E2L | Athlete AU || @thvhoe
Sumaary :When someone learns that Jungkook has been secretly keeping a puppy in his room despite not being allowed to, he turns to ask the only other person who knows about his secret for help. And suddenly you two—who had long been bitter enemies—get very close.
Year 22 || childhoodfriend!jk x f!reader || @rkived
Summary: ‘‘I knew you’d be standing in my front porch light, and I knew you’d come back to me.’‘
T & S || Jungkook x reader | classmates!au | strangers to lovers || @jjkfire
Summary: Toddlers have always hated Jungkook and Jungkook have always hated toddlers
+ “Jungkook… what the hell happened here? And why’s there spaghetti on the ceiling?”
Bunny adventures || hybrid!Jungkook x human!reader | hybrid!au || @kooktrash
Summary: | you had absolutely no intentions of ever owning a hybrid until jungkook came along. a mistreated, misunderstood rabbit hybrid who’d only ever wanted was to be treated like an equal.
Fighting hearts || boxer!jungkook x rich!reader | boxing!au | strangers to lovers || @kooktrash
Summary: never living a life of luxury, Jungkook does what he has to do to make ends-meet. right now that means fighting in underground clubs, getting beat black and blue until he wins. he knows there’s a better life out there for him but he never let himself think about it. until you came along and suddenly a weight is being lifted off his shoulders letting you through his guarded walls. you’re everything he needed and you make him want to fight for more.
That night of graduation party || Jungkook x reader | strangers to lovers | right person wrong time?? | friends to lovers || @smartkookiee
Summary: After a stupid game of Truth or Drink you are convinced into telling everyone about the time you and Jungkook hooked up together the night of college graduation. A missed connection that you and Jungkook hadn't even talked about. Bringing up some unexpected feeling that you hadn't realized had been lingering between the two of you.
Jump then fall || Jungkook x reader |cruise AU | fake dating AU | best friends to lovers AU || (Three-shot) @writtenwhalien
Summary : bringing Jungkook along as your date to your ex’s lavish cruise wedding seemed like a perfect idea at first — all of your family and close friends together, nothing can go wrong… then Jungkook’s ex shows up and all of a sudden you’re in a years long relationship with him. You don’t mind though, really, how hard can sharing a cabin and pretending to be deeply in love with your best friend really be?
Explorer || alien!jungkook x reader | alien au || @1kook
Summary: Jungkook does not want to impress the frankly tyrannical ways of his planet on you. He just wants to stay here and keep your couch warm for you, hold your hair back when you wash your face in the morning.
A touch of silk || pairing: werewolf!jungkook x f. human!reader | werewolf au || @war-of-hormoan
Summary: have been working with wolves long enough to recognize trouble the second it walks into the bar but there was something about Jungkook that made you forget everything Namjoon told you about the dangers of lone wolves.
Please don't eat me || werewolf!Jungkook x girlfriend!Reader | werewolf!au | college!au | established relationship!au || @spicybutterfly
Summary: What do you do when your longtime boyfriend turns into a werewolf right in front of you? Take off running of course!
Strictly platonic || bestfriend!jungkook x reader || friends to lovers | college au | fake dating au || @jeonqkooks
Summary: Jungkook can be a little selfish; and sometimes, the lengths you would go to for his happiness mean relinquishing your own.
True love || tattoo artist!jungkook x reader | f2l || @lovieku
Summary: when you and jeon jeongguk's paths cross again, you question if having a crush on the school's emo and alternative boy was really just a phase, or if it was true love after all.
I Re Do || Ex husband Jungkook x ex-wife reader || @keen-li
synopsis: Young love is so sweet, but people never realize how foolish it can be (sometimes), especially for you and Jungkook. You and Jungkook were the typical high school sweethearts, and after school, you thought you were grown enough to get married. Your families disagreed, but you still went through with it. It was fine for the first year; you were still in the honeymoon phase. But soon, reality caught up, and you both had to go to university. You attended the same university, thinking it would make things easier. Many obstacles came your way, but you were still going strong, afraid of proving your family right. However, after two years of unhappiness, you both called it quits. Unfortunately, your relationship ended on a sour note, and the man you once loved turned into someone you never wanted to see again. So, what happens now, when you face him one more time after many years of being away from him.
#bts#bts jk#btsff#bts imagines#bts fanfic#angst#fluff#smut#jungkook fic#jeon jungkook#jungkook oneshot#jungkook series#jungkook ff#jeon jungkook recs#jungkook fanfic#jungkook#jungkook x reader#jungkook x y/n#jungkook x you#bts jungkook#jjk ff#jungkook angst#jungkook smut#jungkook fluff
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Pet names they call you (MOST lost light crew)
Mtmte edition heh…😈 prolly ooc but heh…who really cares
Rodimus: This guy…he’s probably call you something dumb like my silly dilly gumdrop, baby cakes, Pookie Wookie Dookie Sugar Prince(ss) Boo Boo Bear Snuggle Waggo Baby Bunny or my lovable Pookie dookie gumdrop😭 (jk) but srsly id feel like he’d call you babe most of the time and if he’s feeling a bit romantical it would fo sho be sweet spark :)
swerve: he is such a sweetie pie, he’d probably call you love, sweet spark, amore, Mo gohrádh (my dear in Scottish Gaelic) pudding and cutie pie :3
ultra magnus: my beautiful 12th wife would call you princess/prince/princex/princette, darling, dear, sweetie, Pumpkin
Drift: Mr. thickums would probably call you cherry blossom, my beautiful girl/boy/s/o, my dove, my flower (any kind of flower) Little dumpling
Ratchet: dearest, dear, my star, my light, honey, Ma'am/Sir/Mx(?)
whirl: sweet thang, sugar tits (goes for all genders he doesn't care),hot stuff, sweets, sugar, ship mate, Shnookums, toots
Rung: darling, my love, my fawn, dawn, my dearest, my love, my amazing s/o, little one (for human/minibot! cybertronin [NAME])
Megatron: my dear, my love, lovely, darling, my sweet (gender)
skids: hon, dove, my spark, cloud, sweet pea, bubbles
Getaway: ah you thought. I'll never write for him unless their are guns and missiles to my head and I'm hanging upside down above a tank full of eels and sharks [Angry face]
Fort max: buddy, sunshine, love
Riptide: bubbles, coral cutie...yes coral cutie...anyways, starfish, fish(he's trying really hard), cuddle bug
A/N: (this is one of two of my drafts hope you enjoy :D)
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ik i said human reader only but this is an exception because uh...I said so hehe
sorry most of the nicknames are repeated lolz
(please don't steal, watermark, plagiarize, or run my writings through AI :) )
#mtmte x reader#pet names#cute#demure#mindful#transformers#riptide#fort max#rodimus#swerve#rung#whirl#megatron#ratchet#x human reader#x cybertronian reader
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Hello! I hope you're having a wonderful week! Could you write a oneshot/hc/wtv you prefer for Shadow x fem!reader S1 8 + 21? have a nice day!
Prompts: both not caring about valentines day but getting dragged on a double date + "I think I deserve a kiss"
Warnings: mention of sonamy cuz I needed a ship for the double date plus they're canon some places
Notes: oh em gee finally a person who gives information jk I love all my anons equally trust/j all jokes aside I hope you enjoy these as much as I did when writing these!! Valentine's Day is getting dangerously close and I'm still alone cuz my awesome sauce gf is overseas (NO ONE CARES BOOHOO 💔💔)
(Tbh I didn't Shadow was this popular)
Ever since February started Sonic and Amy have been BEGGING for a double date to happen, they thought it would be cute and a nice bonding time for you all
You two hesitated at first but soon you cracked. It would be nice to get out, bond, catch up with friends and have a romantic evening all together
Ever since then Shadow has gotten an earful from 3 people to go on a double date
He soon caved too when you joined in the begging to go
After a few days of dread, the day finally came and.. Oh no! The ultimate life form; shadow the hedgehog has to go to a restaurant and socialize!
Shadow watches as you shuffle on your shoes, his mind wandering to the possibility of staying home
He knew it wasn't possible to argue so he just sucks it up
Shadow interlocks your hands and walks out the door together
as you two continue walking, he starts to dread caving in and going to the restaraunt with you, Sonic and Amy
after what felt like an eternity, you 4 sit down at the table
the rest of the interaction felt like a blur, it wasn't bad but exhausting socially
after getting home Shadow pours him and zou a drink, he isn't a heavy drinker by any means but he does let himself indulge in somethinhg nice to drink every once in a while <3
"i think i deserve a kiss" you suddenly blurt out, carrying a conversation with shadow was a hard thing and you deserved a reward didn't you?
#sonic x reader#x reader#sonic the hedgehog x reader#shadow the hedgehog x reader#જ⁀➴ ♡ janahts february#shadow x reader#x fem!reader#x female reader#shadow the hedgehog#fluff headcanons#fluff#headcanons#hcs#writers on tumblr
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And now for a HP fandom question - do you have any thoughts on queercoding in the series and if JKR ever actually intended it, and then backtracked, or if it was always completely unintentional? I'm thinking specifically about Lupin and Tonks (as individuals, not as a ship) Inspired by your post about the intention vs how fans perceived Draco Malfoy. Thanks!
So the first thing I want to do is make a distinction between femme-coding and queer-coding. They're tropes with very similar histories, and a lot of works treat them as the same thing. But Harry Potter doesn’t, and I think we can chalk this one up to JK Rowling’s habit of grabbing aesthetics and visuals without really thinking through the history behind them.
(Like - the goblins. She says she didn’t mean to write an antisemitic thing, and I actually do believe her. But did she use a lot of tropes and images with a long history of being tied to antisemitism? yes.)
So when I say “femme” I mean giving a male character traits stereotypically associated with femininity. Heightened sensitivity/emotionality, an interest in hair, clothes and being attractive, a love of lace/pink/frills, a dislike of violence and physical confrontation, and a preference for the soft power of manipulation, character assassination and poison - versus the hard power of direct confrontation and physical prowess. Are these things super stereotypical? Yes. But they’re ALSO traits you see all the time on male villains, especially ones that you don’t want to seem that threatening. Femme-coded villains show up a lot in children’s media, or as the Big Bad’s #2. They’re not meant to be heroic or sympathetic (since all these feminine traits are not desirable, especially for guys.) But they also aren’t scary, and you can pretty much always play them for comedy.
For example: see almost every male Disney villain. And JKR was writing children’s literature in the 90s, so of course she’s pulling from the same zeitgeist as the Disney Renaissance.





JKR loves herself a femme villain. The absolute gold standard is of course Lockhart - who wears pink, wants to start his own line of hair care products, is self-centered, vain, obsessed with popularity… but he sucks in a fight. His entire MO involves manipulating people into thinking he has these traditional masculine qualities when he just doesn’t. But there’s also fussy, prissy Percy wearing his prefect badge on his pajamas. Bitchy, emotional mean-girl poisoners Draco and Snape (especially early book Snape - which is Snape at his most villainous.) Draco, Percy and Snape are also unusual for being male characters who we see crying for reasons other than grief.
Lucius Malfoy is an interesting case because he starts off quite masc. He’s threatening to curse people, the governors are scared of him, etc. But, as the books go on… and he gets less powerful… he also gets more femme. When we meet him in Book 5 he’s no longer threatening people, but bribing them, spreading rumors, and giving interviews to the Prophet casting Arthur Weasley in a negative light. He's also getting really into peacocks. In Book 2 he was a major threat, but as he gets recast as Voldemort’s #2 he becomes a more femme, soft-power villain. When he leads the attack on the Department of Mysteries, he absolutely bungles it, which defines his character (and relationship with Voldemort) for the rest of the series. And it makes sense that Lucius is given this kind of treatment! It’s a way of communicating that there's a new villain in town, a real villain.
So, are any of these femme-coded villains additionally queer-coded? I’m actually going to say no. Queer-coding is (like it says on the tin) finding ways to imply that your character is specifically gay. Like maybe giving them a same-sex relationship that is written romantically, but not explicitly called out by the text. Or pairing up all of the characters except them. Maybe have other characters joke about them being gay, and use that as a way to talk about the subject with some plausible deniability. Or they could just play suggestively with a cigar, or a walking stick. There are different strategies.
But Lockhart doesn't get any of that. Honestly, I think that if JKR actually thought of him as gay, she would have been a lot more wary about a scene where he keeps Harry alone with him in his office for way longer than he’s supposed to. And she might have skipped this joke:
“Harry was hauled to the front of the class during their very next Defense Against the Dark Arts lesson, this time acting a werewolf (...) “Nice loud howl, Harry — exactly — and then, if you’ll believe it, I pounced — like this — slammed him to the floor — thus — with one hand, I managed to hold him down — with my other, I put my wand to his throat (...) he let out a piteous moan — go on, Harry — higher than that — good —”
Like. At least she would have picked a different word than “moan,” right? Which unfortunately has slightly sexual connotations. Especially if she wanted to keep Lockhart a buffoon, to properly set up the twist at the end.
Slughorn also gets femme-coded in a similar way: he loves his candy, his parties, his smoking jackets, his lilac silk pajamas, his web of connections he can use to get stuff (Lucius style.) We are introduced to him squatting in specifically a “fussy old lady’s” house. He’s also unusually emotional, getting weepy at Aragog‘s funeral. But I don’t think we’re meant to read him as actually gay, or else his relationship with Tom Riddle might’ve read a little too close to Tom seducing/trying to seduce him. Which is a beat JKR does subtly play out with Hepzibah Smith, but idk. by that point at least Tom is a legal adult.
(As a side note - the Harry Potter series got so lucky that all of its adult characters are played by absolutely top-shelf actors who are aware of the connotations and history behind various symbols, and do consider these things in their performances. Kenneth Brannagh and Jim Broadbent are good enough to make sure there’s not even a hint of iffy subtext when they play Lockhart and Slughorn.)
Draco, Snape, and Percy all have a case of the not-gays. Percy has a girlfriend (we don’t really see her or anything, but we’re told she’s there.) Snape of course gets his whole thing with Lily, and Draco… after one too many beats where it’s clear that Pansy is into him, but he’s not into Pansy… gets a scene where he’s talking to his buddies with his head in her lap. (JKR uses “no one‘s good enough for me” beats with Blaise, Draco and Sirius, and the idea there seems to be more that they have undeservedly high opinions of themselves, and less that they don’t like girls.)
But, I do agree that a lot of JKR's characters do come across as a little more queer than intended. It boils down, I think, to the general lack of any kind of romance in the Harry Potter books and JKR being generally bad at/uncomfortable with writing male attraction directed at women, BUT being perfectly happy writing attraction directed at pretty guys. And because of that… yeah, it can sometimes feel like maybe Harry has a thing for Cedric. Especially when Dudley goes on to tease him about Cedric being his boyfriend, which I believe is the only actual mention of gay people in the entire series.
So is there any intentional queer-coding in the book? It’s really subtle, but yes. I think Dumbledore is queer-coded. He is unusually emotional/cries unusually often for a Rowling guy. He is also given a scene which emphasizes his “flamboyantly” cut plum-velvet suit, and his relationship with Grindelwald is implied to be romantic for one book and two movies before being actually confirmed in Fantastic Beasts 3. (With the line of dialogue “I was in love with you.” Big step up from “We were closer than brothers.” which is an odd thing to say about someone you are interested in romantically.)
But you brought up Tonks and Lupin, two characters very commonly interpreted as queer. So let’s get into that. JKR has said that she considers Lupin’s lycanthropy to be a metaphor for stigmatized diseases like AIDS. And… as incredible as it is to say… I actually do not think that she made the jump from there to thinking that maybe the character suffering from AIDS should be gay.
Because the narrative places so much weight on Lupin being bitten young and then on maybe not being allowed to attend school, I’m pretty sure that he’s not intended to be queer so much as he’s meant to be Ryan White, the literal poster child for AIDS activism who got infected via blood transfusion when he was two. Tragic, absolutely. But not gay. Honestly, I hope JKR was thinking of ‘lycanthropy’ as a metaphor for stigmatized illness in the abstract and not as a comment on gay people specifically. Because otherwise, Greyback’s thing about biting children becomes a mash-up of two of the biggest homophobic boogeymen from the 80s: gay men infecting people with AIDS on purpose because… idk, they hate the world or something. And the influence of gay men somehow “turning” children gay. Both absolutely real, if ridiculous, moral panics.
On top of that, Remus and Sirius do get a pretty clear case of the not-gays early on (“He embraced Black like a brother.”) Buuuut Alfonso Cuarón did think through those implications for Movie 3, absolutely saw Lupin as gay, and directed David Thewlis to play him accordingly. No reports confirming or denying whether Alfonso Cuarón ships Wolfstar, but I think that if I’m an actor trying to make sense of Lupin’s motivations… and I know he didn’t show Dumbledore the Marauders’ Map and didn’t tell anyone Sirius was an animagus… and then I’m told my character is gay… well. Anyway, I think there are absolutely hints of Wolfstar in that performance.
And there's Tonks. Tonks is introduced during a very spooky segment in Book 5: Harry has been going through it, been left alone at the Dursleys while having what sounds like a depressive episode. It’s dark, he hears intruders. It's a really good piece of writing. But JKR knows that it’s the good guys who are coming and thinks, okay. Let’s make that as clear as possible from the word go. And so the first thing Harry sees is Tonks' pink hair. And what kind of person has pink hair? A young adult. A punky young adult. And what power would a teenager think was cool? Well, the ability to change the color of their hair at will. That, by itself, would have worked perfectly fine for this character.
But then (for reasons best known to herself) JKR goes further. Even though Tonk’s hair changing color is easily 90% of the transformations we see and there is no plot reason her appearance needs to change more than that, we see her drastically change her age and body type. When you think about this power for more than five seconds, it becomes kind of OP. For worldbuilding reasons alone, my instinct would’ve been to tone it down a bit.
But no, we have this counterculture character who seems interested in her career and not in a relationship, who can easily change anything about her body, and (if her ability works anything like Polyjuice) that means she should definitely be able to change her gender. Cool.
Then, in everyone’s least favorite romance, Tonks and Lupin are paired up. I have heard the argument that this was meant to walk back queer-coding, or to punish people who thought they were queer... but I don’t think that’s the case. I don’t think JKR expected these two to be fan favorites, and then was kind of surprised when everyone wanted to hear about their continuing adventures.
(There are a handful of characters who JKR clearly really enjoys - and really enjoys writing - that fandom honestly could not care less about. Mundungus Fletcher and Ludo Bagman spring to mind. But the reverse is also true. She had one story for Lupin and people wanted to see more. Tonks is probably supposed to be her comment on immature young adults: she is loud, in your face, causes mild destruction and is “a little annoying at times.” But the fans fell in love with her.)
So JKR has these two fan favorite characters and nothing for them to do. A romance is something for them to do. JKR also has a kind of weird pattern where good people need to either have kids or take care of kids. It’s not good to be a woman who isn’t involved with taking care of children in some fashion: see Rita Skeeter, Dolores Umbridge, Bellatrix Lestrange. This is also (I think) why Harry names his kids specifically after Severus, Sirius, and Albus. Since they’re good men, JKR had to find a way to give them kids after the fact.
So yeah. I think we were meant to read Tonks and Lupin having a kid as kind of a reward, or at least as proof of their intrinsic goodness. There also just isn’t another guy in the right age range to ship Tonks with. The only other option is Sirius.
(Harry in the books and Lupin on Pottermore both suspect that Tonks/Sirius is a thing. Completely forgetting, I guess, that they're cousins.)
#hp#hp meta#hp close reading#queer coding in hp#femme coding in hp#jkr critical#anti jkr#draco malfoy#severus snape#lucius malfoy#percy weasley#gilderoy lockhart#horace slughorn#remus lupin#nymphadora tonks#albus dumbledore#aids#literary analysis
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Jellyfish: I have a new crackship!
Me: oh! lets see
Jellyfish: Cozette x Reclusa
Me:

Put down that pencil
Jellyfish, you scare me
JK
We have toxic yaoi (Luigi × Dimentio)
Now toxic hetero (Cozette x Reclusa)
Only toxic yuri is missing
HEAR ME OUT
Now, I spent all day and night drawing for this ONE ASK. I was tempted to have a comic for this because it came to me as I woke up in cold sweat, but I compressed it to a bunch of doodles and sketches instead. Best to summarize it so that I don’t trap myself in ANOTHER comic lol.
There will be cliché tropes here, but WHO CARES, ITS MY LIFE SOURCE. This is an unpolished story, so here we go.
They have a lot in common. In the flashbacks, Cozette is seen alone until Connie comes up to talk to her. Reclusa doesn’t seem to have a reason as to why he is the way he is other than needing Glohm to live. Not even a backstory. So any HEADCANON is free game HUEHUEHUEHUE
This ship can probably take place after the events of the game, and Cozette knows no one in Concordia can defeat him, so she takes it upon herself to redeem him. Of course, there will be animosity between the two. At first.
Cozette seems like someone who has the heavy burden of being a Wattanist, so she needs a successor, and that’s Connie. They may be close, but Cozette knows she can’t live forever. Meanwhile Reclusa CAN, which is why he would have a hard time making bonds even if he wanted to.
I like to think that he’d change colours if he had a bond, so now he matches Cozette (like soul bonding or something 👉🏼👈🏼)
I don’t think Reclusa can live off of connectar, so of course their bond has consequences. And Cozette will want him to stay because she’s grown fond of him. This also has consequences. (Yes I drew her blushing, COME ON. IF I’M GOING TO BE A FILTHY DEGENERATE SHIPPER, THAN I MIGHT AS WELL GO ALL OUT AND NOT HOLD BACK)
WHOOPS, others see them out of context, yada yada yada. “Our love isn’t just forbidden, we’re hurting each other” *swoons* And all you get from Reclusa is guilt, guilt, and MORE guilt.
Ppffttt
So sappy. I love it. Take this track to go with the last images huehuehuehue
#mario & luigi brothership#m&l brothership#brothership spoilers#Cozette brothership#Reclusa#Reclusa Brothership#Reclusa x Cozette#Reclozette#<- ?#Colusa#<- ???#Not everything has to be toxic hehehehehe#It can be tragic HUEHUEHUEHUE#HUEHUEHUEHUE
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I just realized today after thinking about things long and hard that most of the hate Jimin gets today especially within the fandom is because of his bond with Jungkook. When I say it is because of Jungkook I don’t mean that Jungkook himself caused it, I mean that Jimin being associated to Jungkook, having a bond with him, loving him and being loved by him is the one of the biggest reasons he gets all the hate he gets today.
The very first people who started with this insane hate against Jimin were taekookers who developed a hate boner for him and started sending him death threats as early as 2015 because according to them Jimin kept coming in between their ship. Things got go much worse for Jimin after GCF in Tokyo and after 2017 in general as we all saw a huge increase in Jikook moments (because they were together alot and not because the company was pushing a narrative that they were the closest) and a huge decline in taekook moments which made the cult go feral. That is when the vitriol and vile hate we see these people have for Jimin started.
Whether they want to admit it or not, majority of Taehyung’s fans within the fandom are taekookers or were at some point and that led them to hate him too and that hate continued even after some of them stopped shipping taekook and became solo stans.
Jungkook solos always had a hate boner for Jimin and I believe this is because they saw and still see what most of us see in Jikook and it makes them extremely uncomfortable and that is why they constantly project unto Jungkook by claiming that Jimin makes him uncomfortable and that Jungkook hates Jimin and that’s why they don’t like him but the truth is that, they are the ones who felt uncomfortable watching Jimin and Jungkook interact. Something about Jimin and Jungkook’s bond always felt “weird” to them and they could sense the things jikookers feel when they see Jikook interact and seeing as most Jk’s stans are Y/Ns who picture themselves with him and most of them are deeply homophobic, it makes sense that they would have a huge problem with Jimin. I mean they know about Jimin having his mouth on Jk’s neck long enough to leave bruises. They know about Jimin’s sweaty earlobes being in Jk’s mouth. They know about Jungkook choosing to spend many a nights with Jimin doing “nothing” so it makes sense why they are uncomfortable.
Without Jungkook in Jimin’s life, there would be no taekookers to hate on him, no Tae solos (ex taekookers) to hate on him and no JK solos to hate on him either.
We also wouldn’t have blinks so desperately hating on Jimin because we know that a good number of Jk solos are blinks who token stan Jk just to hate on Jimin and other members.
Me specifically speaking about the hate Jimin gets because of his affiliation to Jungkook doesn’t mean Jungkook also doesn’t get hated because of his bond with Jimin but everyone knows that the hate Jimin gets is tripple what Jungkook gets. Stan tweet in particular seems to have it out for Jimin and I honestly don’t understand why. They look for the least opportunities to hate on him and mass like hate posts about him and in those posts, we see all the other idiots like taekookers, jjks, tae solos and other solos who hate Jimin more than they love their own faves because they don’t mind liking and even rting a post from a hater who has also hated on one of their faves so long as that person is dragging Jimin.
So many times I have seen people say Jimin’s solo stans are the worst solo stans but I can honestly say that Jk solo stans are the worst and it baffles me how two people can love each other so much and yet have the nastiest fans who are at each other’s throats every single day. I say Jk solo stans are the worst because they are manipulative, deception and pure evil. Don’t get me wrong, PJMs are a piece of work but they haven’t gotten to that level of evil yet in my books. Jjks are evil set of people. This fandom and the entire kpop community never think twice about any rumors that concern Jimin as they eat it up no questions asked, JJKs know this and they use it to their advantage. I have seen these people fake tweets, websites, messages and so many other things and spread them around just to “prove” that Jimin’s success is fraudulent because they cannot stand the fact that Jimin is the only member who can compete with Jk. They have single handedly created and spread the narrative that Jimin is fraudulent. After Jimin released his album they faked a tweet from one of the biggest Jimin funds accounts claiming that PJMs sent phones to the US to stream for Jimin. Before you ask me how I know they faked it let me tell you. JJKs would rather die than have Jimin break any of Jk’s records so if they could boost streams by sending phones to the US, JJks would have been the first ones to do it. They made up a fake tweet and spread it around and no one questioned it’s authenticity and even when the account denied it, no one cared. First of all who is stupid enough to do something like that and make a tweet about it? JJKs also created a fake account pretending to be a Jimin solo and threatened to leak Jk’s passport information a few weeks back and even though it was clear that they did it, no one batted an eye and jimin solos took the blame. Jjks/tkkrs have faked two gcs now (that we know of ) and tried to pin in on jkkrs. One happened right before Jimin’s album dropped (after we got Tteokbokki By Jk) and then the next one happened after AYS episode 6.
This is why I say these people are pure evil because I have seen Jimin solos do and say some messed up things against Jk but not up to the level of JK solos. They throw stones every damn time and hide their hands and Jimin takes the fall for it. They fake articles about him and his family, about his numbers, his success and the sad part is, they have way of getting the media to pick up on their bullshit.
Tae solos (ex taekookers) are just lazy. No offense to Taehyung’s beautiful soul but most of his fans don’t give a tiny rats ass about anything but his face. They don’t care about the music he makes, about his art. They are so quick to like and view and follow his accounts everywhere but when it comes to streaming his songs and actually supporting him, they don’t do it and because of that, they lash out at Jimin and call his fraudelent because they could never believe that Jimin whom they always considered inferior to Tae would get better streaming numbers than him. They spent years believing that the number of likes and followers someone has on social media equals success and when reality hit them in the face, they couldn’t accept that they were wrong but resorted to accuse Jimin of being fraudelent. How does hating on another person’s success make you succeed?
Taekookers, Jjks, and Tae solos (ex taekookers) have made all sorts of rumors about Jimin. They have accused him of sleeping with bang pd for favors (Jimin solos have done the same thing to Jk btw), they have accused Jimin of selling himself to pdogg and the other producers for favors. They have accused Jimin of being jealous of Jk and Tae. And the funny thing is, because these people hate Jimin so much and are desperate to bring him down, they choose to believe any negative thing they see about him whether it makes sense to them or not. Someone could post an article tomorrow claiming that Jimin is Donald Trump’s lover and you will see that post having over 100k likes with people agreeing to it even though they know it isn’t true. No one cares about the truth when it comes to Jimin, they just care about having a reason to drag him and most of this is because Jimin met a doe eyed boy over a decade ago and loved him.
No one would have cared about hating Jimin this much if he wasn’t a part of Jungkook’s life. Taekookers, tae solos, jjks wouldn’t have had this deep hate for Jimin if Jimin didn’t love Jungkook and if Jungkook didn’t love Jimin too and this is one of the reasons why Jimin and Jungkook just never made sense to me as platonic friends. There has got to be a reason why them together drives people so crazy and if their love and feelings for each other was just at the level of bestfriends, things would never have been this bad. If taekookers really didn’t see and fear something about jikook’s bond, they wouldn’t hate him so much or spend almost all their time talking about him on their blogs. Taekookers on tumblr can barely go a single day without bringing Jimin up on their blogs. Some Tae fans on tumblr can barely go a single day without bringing him up and talking about his success and work and then we have JJKs who are quite literally obsessed with Jimin and then Jimin solos obsessed with Jk. If JJks didn’t feel the tension between Jikook they wouldn’t project their discomfort and hate unto Jk so much.
Regardless of whether what Jimin and Jungkook have is platonic or not, I think it says alot that how they feel for each other brings them so much hate alone and together. I think it says alot that despite all these hate they have gotten for years, they just keep getting stronger. I think it says alot that millions of people cannot stand the ground Jimin walks on just because he has Jungkook in his life. Whether people choose to admit it or not, they feel the strong bond Jikook have and for some reason this frightens them.
No one breaks into an empty house. No one puts so much effort into something that isn’t relevant so usually when a whole lot of people are doing everything in their power to break or bring something down, it is usually because they see and fear it’s power. No one would care about hating on Jimin so much if they really thought Jk hated him. No one would care about discrediting his success so much of they really thought he was irrelevant, no one would try to make him the villain so much, if they didn’t see the beauty of his soul and no one would try so hard to dim his light if they only saw darkness.
It breaks my heart that their love for each other is one of the biggest things that brings them hate but there is some weird satisfaction I get from knowing that their bond is strong, deep and obvious enough to get this many people trying to destroy them individually and together. No great person ever had it easy. No one who made history ever went through life without getting stones thrown at them so I take this to mean that Jimin and Jungkook are meant for the greatest things. When people see your grace and the bright future ahead of you, they try to break your wings before you even realize you can fly but the good thing is, they always, always fail.
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I came across an old post the other day, about the nature of Jikooks relationship, this post was circa April 2018. The op said they thought Jikook had a special relationship (baring in mind this is after GCFT), but that they did not know if it was 'romantic' in nature. The post I was reading though, was about JM himself, and how he is a flirt. To summarise the view of the op - he is just that, a flirt, flirts with anyone, but this is not necessarily romantic either, just his nature, and the way he communicates/puts people at ease. To be fair, it kinda made sense what op was saying - ba I think we all know, JM loves to be loved, and loves to give love. Op then added on the end that bs of JM's endless 'flirting with everyone and anyone he encounters, it is hard to know when he might have a different interest in someone (I think they were truly referring to the members here, and ships).
However, what struck me reading it, is that, if that is the case, if that is how op/and others see JM, how is he ever meant to show romantic interest in someone? If he is only seen as an endless flirt, and reduced to that, how could someone differentiate between platonic/harmless" flirting and ‘romantic flirting'. It made me feel quite indignant about how JM himself might perceive that.
I say this also because if op decided that in their eyes jikook have a special relationship, but one which might not be romantic in nature. Because their own personal relationship is like that… typical lmao. But using jikooks bond as an example - how would one then decide whether it was indeed 'romantic?
So, if we think about jikook up until mid-2018 - and all the things they actually did up to, and during that time, that make their bond stand out - what more could anyone want? We're talking about, as I said above, post GCFT, post BV3 (filming at least, b I can't remember the dates), etc, etc.
And this got me to thinking what it would be like to actually date one of these boys. especially Jikook.
How in the world is one meant to think that JM is into you, if all he does is flirt with others? How would you feel special? How would you navigate a relationship with JM/JK, when they seem hell bent on dedicating time solely to each other. Would said person not feel left out, upset/angry? If I was with JM or JK in 2023 for example, and said bf decided to hop on a plane and fly 15 hours to go see his bft whom he had drifted from apparently, and film a show where they ended up in bed cosy and slapping ass, and then travelled again, and again, lastly to romantic and snowy Sapporo. I mean my bags would be packed sooner than you can say boo to a goose.
Or, hypothetically, even as a prospective future partner, even googling content like that would probably spike jealously in even the sanest person - because logically how would one ever feel comfortable letting them be around the other? What kind of sane person would put up with that? Where is the self respect! I mean that seriously.
Because to me, all these boys have ever done (esp in recent years) is single themselves out as something, and I would eat my own arm if that something is not 'romantic' in nature, because otherwise what is the point, truly. BTS are the biggest band in the wsrld, they do not need to do FS, they do not need to make up elaborate lies to sell themselves. Nothing about likeeks relationship actually sells with the fandom at large anyway, lets be honest, so there is no need for them to do what they do. Unless that is, they want to, and they cannot help it.
Objectively then, since ops post was mid 2018, 7 years has all but passed. We have had many, many ‘moments' that stand out, we all know them, I won't list them. Then we come to 2023, and we have the show, and the enlistment. I did wonder for a brief second what op might think about that, since they stopped posting in 2019, but then I thought, who cares, because honestly, to me, that sort of narrative is tired, and then some.
Jikook have singled themselves out as a duo to be reckoned with, in the charts and in life, and contrary to what those with views like op think, they have done that with purpose. Again, they didn't have to, they chose to, and to me that means something. I am not talking about how Hebi and JM have a really close relationship that the fandom acknowledges, or that vain are 'soul mates', or JK and Jin are close, or JK fell in love with Joon's thighs and has a man crush on him. This is different, markedly so.
But going back to JM and his 'flirty' personality, is it me or does JM do less of this in recent years? He was an extraordinary performer in LYS/SY era, he really did have an outgoing flirty persona on and off stage, but the JM of 2023 at least, did not ts me. He seemed shy, reserved, giggly sometimes, but also not always, by the latter half of 2023, more assure of himself. For example, he treated Sophia with upmost respect, he didn't flirt imo. His female dancers too, although solos go gah gal over their ‘interactions' (be they are hetro losers) he was literally just being professional. I call this maturity, and him coming into his own. Him letting some of that overriding need to be loved, or to be loud go, almost. If that makes sense?
This brings me to another thing the op said in a different post, but linked to the original, in that JM the flirt king' was simply that with JK at the start, just flirty and not in a romantic interest kind of way, and that JK (a baby gay), confronted JM about this eventually, said he likes him, and that JM replied with '1 don't like boys like that'. So not only did OP in their 'wisdom' confine JM to a flirt, but also a queer baiter of sorts? And that JK is happy with that because at least he gets JMs attention...I mean what the heck is that?!! The OP said it would not surprise them at all because JM flirts with anyone, that he is indeed straight. Well, I guess we do not know, but since said post, the portfolio was released, and I will leave that up to others interpretation. But I will say, to me JM has shown us part of who he is, and he is not a queer baiter like op suggests.
All this to say, that my overriding thoughts when reading opinions like that of op, or even recent ones of some of his solos, is that everyone pigeonholes JM into what they want him to be, maybe that is because he is an Idol, it's the job description, but he is so much more than that, much more human and much more nuanced. I mean what would such as op think a 'romantic' relationship looks like - the sheer love that excludes from these two, the way they look at so, the way JK sucked JMs ear in front of thousands, a romantic travel video with a love song bought for exclusive use, the sheer devotion you see from them, the domesticity, the companionship, they are the best of friends, the support they give, the laughter, the quiet moments, the commitment they showed when enlisting together, travelling together? What more could they do honestly?
As I said above, I wouldn't want to be in a relationship with either one of them, given how they are with each other... that would be a hell no from me.
Anon, this is a lot to unpack.
(I want to preface and for reference for future posts, that I am an INFJ, so I can be somewhat analytical but I function and communicate primarly with emotions and intuition, so I can only convey my feelings to you, and it is very unlikely I will bombard you with any type of facts, dates ect. Due to my spiritual journey many memories from the past are also erased as soon as they enter my mind, due to focusing mainly on the present moment. So I usually can't tell you "yes but this happened at that moment!", the only thing I can truly say is my feelings about a situation, and the perceptions I had/have of it because from the memories that's the only thing that truly stays with me. Just so you know this is a particular way of answering asks and it is not my intention to stay vague but this is how I usually communicate. I'm ok at conveying feelings but that's about it lol so bear with me)
Look, I kinda hate this "Jimin is a flirt" narrative going on, even back then.
You know why? Because people take a statement such as this, and you know what they do with it? They make a generalization out of it, they reduce Jimin to it, they try to label him, and put him in a tiny box, which IS NOT how real people function. Jimin is a real complex human.
Did Jimin flirt? Yes. Sometimes more, sometimes less. Did he always do it? No. But the most important thing is HOW he flirted with everyone in contrast to Jungkook.
Because this OP reducing him to an endless flirt who couldn't tell when he had romantic feelings, it is just a load of crap to me.
There always has been A HUGE difference in how he flirts with other people vs Jungkook, and you have to be a fool not to notice.
With other people it's playful, it's cute, it's harmless, it's just for fun, IT HAS NO WEIGHT.
But with Jungkook? Cheesh it's a different story entirely.
I will put it simply: with Jungkook, Jimin cares. It is not for fun. It can be playful, but there is a tension, there is a weight, their is a different level of emotion that comes out from Jimin. It's in the body language, it's in the voice, I don't even know how to explain this, you just see it on his face, and feel it. It shows. And I know it is stupidly vague and subjective.
But even back in the beginning, when Jimin had a crush on Jungkook and was bodly showing it. Your OP might say it was all for fun, he was teasing, which he was. But behind the laughters there were repeated actions and words, their was a fucking intent behind all of this, and you can't tell me this intent this OP could not feel it.
The intent, the crush, the desire, the love, however how innocent it was presented, was real. It was real. It was Jimin's true feelings.
The difference is that when Jimin flirts with Jungkook vs other members or anyone, there are always a depth of feelings behind that flirting. Which he doesn't show with anyone else. How can people not pick up on this?
With Jungkook there is more. It's not all fun&games, in truth it looks quite serious at times, like this has an affect&effect on a private level we know nothing about.
With other people Jimin doesn't care and he does what he does because he wants to. I've never seen this side of him being immature in any way, but more of him being his loving self. It was harmless after all.
(Except with Jungkook)
Because I need to remind that he has never done the things he did with Jungkook with ANY OTHER MEMBER or anyone for that matter! Once again this is not the same levels of flirtations!
Jimin has never been a queerbaiter, he hates fanservice, so the only logical explanation is that his feelings have been true from the start. Even if on stage he has a persona, he often shakes his head when other members do fanservice, he disapproves. Why? Because the moments he has with Jungkook, they are real, the other stuff are not.
The moments with Jungkook have nothing to do with his persona, it's specifically for jungkook & their relationship, it's playing in front of millions but it's not about us at all, it's their own private moment that we just happen to witness, because their relationship is an alive ongoing thing that doesn't stop and continues with every one of their interactions, whether on stage, backstage, in interviews, in reality shows. They are constantly living it and it is ever enfolding. They are not gonna suddenly stop just because we happen to see it.
That's why they also have been so open about it, in a way they don't have much of a choice.
Unfortunately I think over time, circumstances of fame hardened Jimin in a way, he is more private now, more closed-off.
In recent years I have very few memories of him flirting with anyone but Jungkook. He has been nothing but polite and professional and caring with everyone he meets.
So the "Jimin is an endless flirt" doesn't sit right with me at all. He CAN flirt he HAS flirted but not all the time and he did it especially with Jungkook more than everyone else since debut.
Isn't that good indication whom he has romantic feelings for? If that's not enough idk what people want.
I wish people would stop reducing the members to cartoon cliché unidimensional characters they made up in their heads because that's not how humans work. They are not "just this" or "just that", they are layered and changeable and ever evolving. Do you know how complex we are as beings? Anyway.
So no, even when Jimin flirted, I never ever saw him as "nothing but a flirt" in my mind. That's not true, and it doesn't feel right to think it. Because I don't know him intimately enough to pass any kind of judgement like this. One of my favorite saying is "To define is to limit" so I tend to not do this with other people. Because once you made a definitive statement like this it opens the door to any kind of shortcuts, easy and lazy pathways to try to comprehend someone. But people are not easy to understand, and most people don't even understand themselves that well. So please, can we not do that? It's not that simple.
I agree with you. I couldn't date any of them with the other in the picture (I mean I couldn't date any of them period lmao). But yeah how can any other bond compare to jikook's bond, anything else would pale in comparison, they have more than 10 years behind them, bonding life experiences they won't be able to find with anybody else, a connexion so deep and fluid and easy and loving, how can you compete with this?
Since they met I don't believe there has been anyone else serious.
Idk, am I crazy? Does this post makes any sense to you? Am I the only one understanding it this way?
Anyway anon thank you for sharing this reading of yours which was like?? Weird but ok
Feel free to send me your thoughts anytime I will gladly read them 💜 and answer when I can
Take care 🥰
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First thing first i saw another anon say this anon is a tkkr who's sneaking in jkk space when i can very well tell anon is just a jkkr who has seen difference in jikook over the chapt2 era. Just because one jkkr doesn't agree with another doesn't mean they HAVE to be from another ship. And Tkkrs don't talk about jkk the way anon talked because it's hard for Tkkrs to even address the things jkk did together Especially GCFT so anon is definitely not a tkkr.
Second idk in which spaces YOU were because the whole jikook tag was clogged with very much negativity during AYS Especially after 1st,2nd ep because everyone was Feeling the difference in the way jk talked to anon because we have never seen them bicker this much after their debut self. over these past few yrs we have seen them very much be sweet towards e/o and not really bicker atleast not to the level of AYS and it was maybe because we never had full hrs of just jkk only so we're seeing their raw self so maybe jkk have been this way towards e/o for long time but we just never got to witness it before and hence why it was kinda shocking for many jkkrs and yes there was very much negativity. talking about how jk said "Jimin is dead" and laughed when jm was sick because some jkkrs didn't like that because they haven't seen jk talk like that etc etc. If you need @ of the blogs who's seen this negativity ask me and I'll definitely provide it in next ask (I'm not doing in this one because I don't wanna disclose their @ to other anons who might attack them).
Yes the 1st ep looked awkward maybe because they haven't hangout together for some time and when they're doing they're in front of cam so they don't know how to act, It happens when you're meeting s/o after some time and haven't exactly planned things you're doing or you haven't thought it thoroughly. They Started loosening up at the end of 2nd ep. And if anyone talks about their physical closeness as why would they be close like that when they are awkward then ITS taekook is good example of that why or how.
anon didn't lie when they said that jk didn't bother showing up for jm anywhere because that's true. he was at hybe for CK most probably saw jm is practicing stopped there and went home exactly like how he showed up at one of hobi's filming during JITB because the set was in hybe. That time jm specifically asked jk to come to show support to him more and jungkook didn't come again. we saw jm's practice BB and jk wasn't there again and when jk asked when was jm's next music show jm also told him that jk has already seen his dance during practice so it's normal to assume the practice was last one. yes he might have came for another practice but given we haven't seen I'll chose not to make up that "he came to the practice again" because if everyone just start assuming things with nothing to back up there's no difference them and Tkkrs.You remembered what jm said what during serendipity recording then how did you forgot what jm said During festa 2022 when jk was whinning about jm not showing him his songs along with other members?? let me tell you jm said "Well i told you, asked you all to come and see me work" so didn't jm give open invitation here to ALL members including jk? so did he go or not? i guess not if we go by the whinning he was doing over jm not showing him his song, we have also seen jk watching jm doing filter practice so I'm sure coming again for jm's other practices or MV sets to "show support" shouldn't be so hard given jk went to dream movie premiere, and a musical of tae's frnds to show support or wtv it was. plus given how jk traveled to Hawaii when tae said he missed jk so the hybe building (hobi saw jm there working as well so the pdogg house wasn't the only place jm worked) and before you wonder how new i am it's my 5th year in the Fandom. not as old as you but old enough to have known all of their contents.
Jimin talked about him talking with jk about music for hrs and said that he'd tell jk what he learned so i think he was talking about the time AFTER they shot in NYC for AYS. jm talked about going to vocal lessons when he was working on muse(in his live) so I'm assuming he talked with jk about music after NYC trip where he also heard "Who" for the very first time. my personal assumption which I'm pretty sure of is that jk wasn't aware of what's going on with jm when he was working on FACE and the live jk did after face dropped was him just catching up with what's jm doing. I mean he didn't even know when jm was doing his music shows etc etc. my personal assumption tho.
There's no need for jkk to lie to us and say "you didn't call me when i was free and i didn't call you when u were free" because they simply could have not said anything rather than lying. I'm definitely not a tkkr who spin their words to fit my narative so I'll take things as it is said to us when I don't see any reason for them to lie to us.
Yes having e/o in military is a comfort for them but I'll ask u if u get an option of enlisting alone OR u can Enlist with ur friend whom you know for a decade now what option would u chose? won't u wanna go with ur frnd if U actually have an option? given the status they have it's obvious more comfort for them that they have their frnd with them so I believe any normal human would chose to go with their frnd than alone with given option. and jkk do have visible tattoes so they obviously have limited options that don't mean they have to go with e/o BUT why not go with ur frnd than go alone? it's very natural doens't have to be "they can't live w/o e/o".
And just like Taekook changed jikook changed as well. many have hard time beliveing it but that's what how atleast some of us see it. have some points to add for this topic as why but it's already too long so I'll stop.
Thank you, anon, for the oh so detailed read.
And for also proving my point that some people on here actually believe that the only times jikook have ever interacted in their entire lives is when they film content for us.
Bravo!
I was going to just leave it at that but I've got some time so why not write more?
Anon not being a tkkr? Yeah, okay. It is true that not all jikookers have the same opinion. Some support, some simply ship and can become very insecure because they don't actually see jikook as two actual people in an actual relationship. But I actually have working braincells and can very easily spot tkkr rhetoric as opposed to insecure jikooker rhetoric. Anon was a tkkr clearly trying to gaslight. I can actually point out very specific phrases used if you'd like.
Jikook have never bickered before AYS? Really?! REALLY?! You stated you're five years into this fandom so my assumption is your consumption of content begins at 2019. Because there is NO WAY that anyone could have seen jikook interactions since 2013, and claimed they have only ever been 'lovey-dovey'.
If there was any awkwardness at the very beginning of filming (which I still have yet to see), do you know why? It's because Jimin and Jungkook DIDN'T HAVE A CLUE WHAT THEY WERE FILMING! They didn't even have a frigging name for the show! To the point that they, along with the staff said on multiple occasions that they didn't even know if this even would be released. Not because they were awkward with each other but because they were just going with the flow for the first time. And as entertainers, they needed to feel out the situation to provide content for us. Guess what? That takes a bit of time.
And your whole essay on JK not being there for Jimin? I'm not even going to go into detail because clearly the only time Jimin and Jungkook interact is when a camera is rolling.
Finally the military thing. You know what would have been more comforting than each other? Being assigned to an area that wasn't the most dangerous and active. And visible tattoos have nothing to do with anything as a lot of persons have posted about. It may have barred them from a select few, but certainly not all other avenues. And Jungkook could have just as easily chosen Taehyung to enlist with. But he didn't. And I hardly think he tossed a coin or that Jimin was the second option. The apparently indigestible fact remains that jikook actively chose each other.
You claim that jikook changed, just like Taekook, and that's just how some of 'you' see it. Fine. Everyone's entitled to their opinion. And I would actually genuinely be interested in those 'whys' you mentioned.
But please, when you do, make sure you can clearly reference from the beginning.
Because I can also do that to show how jikook's relationship has changed over the years. Only, it's not going to be the change you see.
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Listen, for YEARS Armys have ALWAYS found something to use as an excuse or scape-goat instead of taking the hate Jimin gets 24/7 as something SERIOUS.
2015-end of 2016: "He was asking for it 'cause he's a flirt", "He should stop getting so close to X/Y member", "Its because he cares too much about his weight", "He probably has an ED", "Its because he's so insecure", "I wish he would stop posting so much everyday so the haters would stop giving us a hard time reporting".
2017 - They blamed JIMIN with "maybe he did something wrong to piss ppl off--", "He's such a bad friend for forgetting to write his bandmate's name on a chalkboard", to justify the hate.
In 2018 - They blamed it on "Shipping wars" and their solution to the problem? "Just block & ignore them" (the blocking in question was for ANYONE who dared to defend Jimin; ANYONE with a Jimin pfp got targeted instead of the actual shippers, aka TAEKOOKERS, causing the problems).
2019 - They started blaming JIMIN again, even though JIMIN was THE ONLY MEMBER who got targeted and STALKED during their vacation (he was literally followed to EVERY country he visited with his friends, while we knew nothing about the other member's whereabouts for two and a half months).
2020-2021 - They started the "Jimin is lazy", "Jimin is useless without the group", "He's just pretending to be depressed for attention 'cause all the other members are more talented/popular--", "Its HIS fault the other members get forced to sing in high notes" (after it was known Pdogg preferred the high notes in songs because it makes them sound better and only Jimin could sing them)
Early 2022 when he released his first collab outside the group - "We're not gonna support his collab", "He should've collabed with one of the members instead", "See? Even they didn't support it.", "He ruined his only chance to debut solo--"
2022, Post-group-hiatus-announcement: "Jimin is lazy", "Jimin is jobless", "No one wants to work with him", "Jimin will never survive as a soloist, he depends too much on the group", "Its not like he cares about making music".
2023, PJMS had ENOUGH and started fighting back instead of staying quiet: "Jimin solos are to blame", "Jimin solos are the worst", "We don't take solos serious" (even though their biggest "ot7" fanbases ARE run by SOLOS & Jimin antis themselves.)
And its not just on the i-side, its also happening on the k-side as well. Ya'll saw it happen in real time last year when the big Korean Army "ot7" fanbases (like ARMY52Hertz, who we now know is run by a HYBE employee who despises Jimin) EXCLUDED Jimin from all votings so that ONLY JK got most of the awards and everytime i-fans tried to warn K-armys we were told "You know nothing about our country rules" (Translation: "Korean fans only follow ONE big "official" fanbase and do absolutely EVERYTHING they say without questioning otherwise they will be "kicked out") and only came to their senses when it was too late and the whole Kpop fandom were laughing at them.
Its a never ending cycle, I was THERE on every single era, I saw every single snicker and back-handed comment thrown at him from the very fandom that claims to "love him more than anyone". Because they ONLY pretend to love him when he's being a cheerleader to another member, or when he thanks "Armys" in general. But otherwise they wouldn't give a shit about him. Not as an individual. They only care about his validation and acknowledgement of the BRAND-name "Army".
Its why they HATE the idea of him having fans outside of the group; fans who SEE HIM as an individual and TALENTED Solo-Artist; fans willing to support and fight to defend HIM till the end. Why they need to correct and insert the other members under every single media article, youtube reaction or post praising JIMIN ONLY. Because to most brainwashed Armys the ONLY talented dancer is Jhope, the ONLY good singer is JK, the ONLY good looking member is V or Jin, the ONLY talented writers/composers are the RL. Because its what they've GASLIGHTED EACH OTHER TO BELIEVE.
To them Jimin is just "the cute, sexy member" who's also an Angel because he cares about THEIR FAVORITE MEMBER.
Its also why they are quick to attack anyone who self-proclaims to be HIS fan (Jimin stan, PJMs, Jimin solo, ect), but never want to become part of "Army". Because outsiders can easily see how fucked up the BTS fandom really IS and HAS BEEN in the past couple of years and why they've earned the name and reputation as
"The Most Toxic Fandom in Kpop".
#I said what I said#jimin deserves better#a better fandom#a better company/label#a better everything#a better life where he can do whatever the FUCK HE WANTS
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on ghosts
this question was a postscript to an ask i got about some crack ships:
JK Rowling kind of presents ghosts as pathetic. Is this another indication of her lack of empathy and compassion?
and the answer would have been a bit out of place in a post which was otherwise about whether it's plausible to ship hermione and moaning myrtle... so it's here instead, being my least favourite type of meta, because it requires me to do jkr defending...
the presentation of ghosts in canon - as unhappy, unimpressive, petty, cowardly, annoying, and forever in a state of arrested development - is inextricable from the fact that the harry potter series is for children. there's literally no way to think about them without this being front and centre.
children's literature is inherently didactic - that is, it teaches its readers how to understand and conduct themselves within the world. children's literature therefore has a duty of care towards its audiences that literature written for adults doesn't.
[let me be very clear though that this lack of responsibility only applies to the texts, to the stories themselves. authors writing for adults have plenty of responsibilities to their audience when it comes to their personal conduct around their relationship with fame and with fans. a little topical addendum there...]
above all, when they're coming up with plots and discussing characters' motivations, children's authors need to think about what their audience might be going through in their everyday lives. and they are then obliged to approach these things in their writing in a way which helps their audience make sense of their experiences in a way which supports, encourages, and comforts them.
this doesn't mean that children's literature can't or shouldn't approach hard topics, not in the slightest. but responsible children's literature has to do this in a way that doesn't cause a child reading to incur any additional harm.
and one of humanity's defining childhood milestones is coming to understand what it means when somebody dies.
it was jkr's job to assume that any child reading the series might have recently experienced or face imminently experiencing the death of someone they loved. it was also her job to assume that there were children reading the series who were facing the prospect of dying themselves.
it would have been breathtakingly irresponsible for her to present the act of dying as anything other than natural, neutral [not something which only happens to bad people, for example], unavoidable, and irreversible. it would have been similarly irresponsible for her to present accepting one's own death as anything other than the right choice - a reasonable and rational decision - which is made by people who are brave, clever, curious, loving, and adventurous.
and since her story has ghosts - which is an entirely reasonable worldbuilding decision for someone writing children's fantasy to make - it would have been similarly irresponsible for her to portray those ghosts' relationship with their deaths as anything other than pathetic.
let's imagine, for a second, that sirius had chosen to become a ghost at the end of order of the phoenix. it's not implausible from a watsonian characterisation standpoint, we all know that sirius would have done pretty much anything if it meant not abandoning harry...
but it would have been inexcusable from a doylist one. what would it do to a child who'd just lost their own [god]father to be told that someone who really loved them would have stayed behind?
instead, if we keep the child-reader's welfare in mind, the immediate aftermath of sirius' death is handled really well:
harry explicitly states that sirius would have left the veil if that were possible, and the fact that he doesn't isn't because he doesn't want to, but because he's dead and therefore can't.
harry veers between being distraught, angry, confused, and apathetic. he lashes out. he breaks things. he wants to die. he struggles to find enjoyment in things. he doesn't want to be around other people, except for the times when he does. he doesn't want to talk about sirius. he blames himself for his death.
hagrid acknowledges that sirius didn't want to die, but recognises this doesn't change the fact that he still did.
harry tries to talk to sirius through the mirror and is unable to, because he's dead.
harry asks nearly-headless nick if sirius will come back as a ghost. nick says no, and praises sirius for that decision, saying emphatically that he chose to remain behind because he was a coward, that he regrets his decision, and that those who accept death are happier than those who choose a ghost's half-life.
luna tells harry that grief becomes more manageable as it gets older - even though it doesn't vanish, that it doesn't have to be endured alone, that talking about it with other people is comforting, that the dead are never truly gone [whether the reader wishes to interpret that as meaning the dead are never gone if they're remembered, or as meaning the living and the dead will be reunited in the afterlife], and that it's fine to still take pleasure in things even when you're grieving.
the series also emphasises again and again that not progressing in grief - not learning how to integrate it into everyday life, not growing alongside it, letting it consume you and keep you stuck and stop you enjoying things - is dangerous. which is also a really responsible message for children to receive.
from an adult's perspective, i think it's fine for readers to quibble with the way that the series presents accepting death as obvious and rational. it - like every other example of choice in the series - is presented as an individual one between two binary options - one which is good and correct, one which is bad and wrong - in which broader societal or institutional forces are irrelevant.
for example, voldemort's fear of death, which the series is clear is inextricable from his enormous, corrosive grief over his mother, is presented as something he just decides to do, a wrong, bad, and unsympathetic choice he deliberately makes, rather than a choice influenced by the circumstances of his early life.
this is - unsurprisingly - a genre thing again [children's literature villains have to be the embodiment of evil, they're not supposed to be particularly complex] but jkr does seem to be someone who thinks in this individualistic, binary way about quite a lot of things, gender very much included, and i do think that's worth adult readers bearing in mind.
and so we can certainly decide to examine the decisions made by the series' ghosts through these more nuanced lenses, and to consider the decision not to move on as something which - yes - clearly does have an element of cowardice to it [why else would you accept eternity in a liminal state rather than moving on to something definite?], but which is broader and more messy and more complex and contradictory than canon presents it as.
but we can only do this if we acknowledge that the doylist text did its job properly. the child-reader needed to be left in no doubt that it's good there are no ghosts in their life. and they are.
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